Comments on: A realization http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/ A weblog for people who otherwise wouldn't. Fri, 01 Apr 2011 03:58:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Corey http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231561 Corey Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:09:24 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231561 But John, would the republicans have captured that cash surplus? Historically the republican party is seeming against taxes of almost any kind on businesses. Thats really the main difference between the parties in fiscal terms. They both spend money ridiculously but the republicans seem to think there is a magic way to do that without bringing in money to cover it. But John, would the republicans have captured that cash surplus? Historically the republican party is seeming against taxes of almost any kind on businesses. Thats really the main difference between the parties in fiscal terms. They both spend money ridiculously but the republicans seem to think there is a magic way to do that without bringing in money to cover it.

]]> By: Keir http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231508 Keir Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:33:38 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231508 As a way the Hell to the left of the Democrats person, I would have to mostly agree with the previous post, but I'd say that what pissed me off is that the Bush administration was failing and not only did they not care, they were proud of it. I'm hoping this administration will be an improvement, but I'm a little dubious at this point. As a way the Hell to the left of the Democrats person, I would have to mostly agree with the previous post, but I’d say that what pissed me off is that the Bush administration was failing and not only did they not care, they were proud of it. I’m hoping this administration will be an improvement, but I’m a little dubious at this point.

]]> By: Jon Doane http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231492 Jon Doane Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:29:01 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231492 John, everybody knows Democrats don't pray ;) I don't think Democrats were hoping Bush would fail, I think they were pissed off that he was failing and didn't seem to care. My most recent conversations with a Republican in real life involved them making jokes about Obama not being able to hide in the snow. It wasn't a very productive discussion. John, everybody knows Democrats don’t pray ;)

I don’t think Democrats were hoping Bush would fail, I think they were pissed off that he was failing and didn’t seem to care.

My most recent conversations with a Republican in real life involved them making jokes about Obama not being able to hide in the snow. It wasn’t a very productive discussion.

]]> By: John Wilson http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231471 John Wilson Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:38:13 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231471 Clinton was lucky to be president during the internet boom. Existing tax laws allowed the government to capture a huge amount of revenue during that time. A republican administration would have been just as present to capture those vast surpluses. On the other hand, if bringing back Clinton means getting rid of every program, every structural spending increase, every government department and government job that has been added since then, well.... it's tempting, if only to get rid of the TSA. :D Doane: So you didn't vote for the republicans or the democrats in '08, right? ;) If I had a dollar for every time I heard (with my ears, not just read on the internet) someone on the D side of the aisle fervently praying for Bush to fail during the Bush administration, I'd have enough money to get a fairly decent camera lens. Maybe two. I've heard comparatively few of my republican friends saying the same thing about Obama. Now, I don't know what those kids are up to on that fox news channel, doncha know. But in terms of real people I know who are republicans, they don't want Obama to fail. They're pretty sure that, for example, the stimulus *is* failing, but that's not the same thing as wanting it. It's just good cop bad cop. Every now and then the republicans and the democrats switch uniforms. But the end result is the same: they want to control your life and will by any means necessary. Clinton was lucky to be president during the internet boom. Existing tax laws allowed the government to capture a huge amount of revenue during that time. A republican administration would have been just as present to capture those vast surpluses.

On the other hand, if bringing back Clinton means getting rid of every program, every structural spending increase, every government department and government job that has been added since then, well…. it’s tempting, if only to get rid of the TSA. :D

Doane: So you didn’t vote for the republicans or the democrats in ’08, right? ;) If I had a dollar for every time I heard (with my ears, not just read on the internet) someone on the D side of the aisle fervently praying for Bush to fail during the Bush administration, I’d have enough money to get a fairly decent camera lens. Maybe two.

I’ve heard comparatively few of my republican friends saying the same thing about Obama. Now, I don’t know what those kids are up to on that fox news channel, doncha know. But in terms of real people I know who are republicans, they don’t want Obama to fail. They’re pretty sure that, for example, the stimulus *is* failing, but that’s not the same thing as wanting it.

It’s just good cop bad cop. Every now and then the republicans and the democrats switch uniforms. But the end result is the same: they want to control your life and will by any means necessary.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231468 Anonymous Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:00:57 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231468 So what you're saying John (and the other Jon too) is you want Clinton back? Based on this chart he is the most recent fiscally responsible president after that you have to go back to Carter. The Nixon/Ford being the most recent fiscally responsible Republican administration. http://zfacts.com/p/318.html In recent history liberals are tax and spend, conservatives are tax cut and spend. Can we get rid of both parties now? So what you’re saying John (and the other Jon too) is you want Clinton back? Based on this chart he is the most recent fiscally responsible president after that you have to go back to Carter. The Nixon/Ford being the most recent fiscally responsible Republican administration.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

In recent history liberals are tax and spend, conservatives are tax cut and spend. Can we get rid of both parties now?

]]> By: Geof F. Morris http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231466 Geof F. Morris Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:26:27 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231466 Obama is what some refer to as a neo-Keynesian. I'm not sure that I'd listen to a monetarist on what Keynes would and wouldn't have liked, though. Obama is what some refer to as a neo-Keynesian. I’m not sure that I’d listen to a monetarist on what Keynes would and wouldn’t have liked, though.

]]> By: Jon Doane http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231464 Jon Doane Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:47:08 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231464 I agree with you John. Bring back a Repulican Party with real ideas and a real plan for fiscal responsibility that is not populated with batshitinsane ex-beauty queens. Meanwhile, I refuse to vote for a party who's only desire is for the majority party to fail. I agree with you John. Bring back a Repulican Party with real ideas and a real plan for fiscal responsibility that is not populated with batshitinsane ex-beauty queens.

Meanwhile, I refuse to vote for a party who’s only desire is for the majority party to fail.

]]> By: John Wilson http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231463 John Wilson Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:10:05 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231463 If what this guy says is true: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/04/news/economy/meltzer_keynes.fortune/index.htm then hell yes, go Keynes! The problem is we're so burdened by debt we can't maneuver. If what this guy says is true: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/04/news/economy/meltzer_keynes.fortune/index.htm then hell yes, go Keynes!

The problem is we’re so burdened by debt we can’t maneuver.

]]> By: Geof F. Morris http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231460 Geof F. Morris Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:56:47 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231460 Sound sorta Keynesian to me, John. Sound sorta Keynesian to me, John.

]]> By: John http://www.jowilson.org/weblog/archives/2010/02/09/a-realization/comment-page-1/#comment-231452 John Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:21:08 +0000 http://www.crazybutable.com/weblog/?p=1247#comment-231452 Also: more footnotes than post! Also: more footnotes than post!

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